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novawhiz · Apr 20, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Does anyone have the Protective BOND build for soloing or doing 2 man in the UW???

~ I know they nerfed it so i thought it was impossible to use, but recently i went into the UW(doing a 2 man run) and the monk used protective bond. We had an incrediblely Fast and quick run.

~I think the way he kept up his energy was by...
1. Getting a lot of monsters on him at once.(He got all the aatxes on him at the same time in the begining)
2.By contstanly using bonetties.(I think he had constant bonneties.)

~~~~So please if anyone hase the build for monk with protective BOND can u plz post it.

-(I think I know some of it, but i dont know about 8th skill)

cerb · Apr 20, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Breeze Bonettis Spellbreaker Blessed Signet P.Bond Essence Bond Balts Spirit Mending

While it seems to work good on smite runs, it isn't as good as a normal P. Spirit build for quests (Better forget doing Ice King with this build, or even Mindblades)

Advantages:

Can tank much more (however, if you are a good Protective Spirit user, you could tank as much. Of course, you cant take 21 smites, but you can still take up to 15-16.)
You do not need to recast Protective Bond. You cast it once, then can forget about it.

Disadvantages:

Cannot tank ranged opponents (Bonettis doesnt give energy, and Blessed Signet isn't enough to keep up)
Very vulnerable to health degeneration (Burning, Bleeding, Hexes)
Short Spellbreaker and no Blessed Aura, makes it really hard to get a good aggro in the first room, unless you are very lucky (1-2 nightmares at most).
Completely relies on Bonetti's Defense. You can't handle the energy loss if Bonetti's isn't ready.

.killjoy · Apr 20, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

P.bond is great but destroys energy I've tried it very hard to manage energy.

and like cerb said ^

novawhiz · Apr 20, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Nice cerbs.

~so u have 4 enchants?(mending for +4 regen, bath for adren and nrgy, essence fir nrgy, and blessed for longer enchantments?)

novawhiz · Apr 20, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

I mean not essenc protective bond sry lol

cerb · Apr 21, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

At 13 prot (which you need to run), it drains 3 energy per hit. With Balts and Essence, you lose 1 energy every time you are hit. While it might sound good on paper, you have consider many factors:

-Breeze (10 energy)
-Interrupts
-"Fear Me!"
-Rust & Ignorance (from Coldfires and Mindblades, respectively)

With this build, you *NEED* 13 protection prayers. However, 13 protection prayers restrains you a lot on your other attributes. If you run 13 healing for +4 mending and +8 breeze, you won't be able to spend more than 14 in Divine Favor, which is barely ~16s spellbreaker, about 18-19s with a 20% enchant weapon. Sounds good? Now consider the seconds you waste killing a nightmare, dodging body blocks, etc. Against Mindblades you shouldn't even think about it. You run into energy problems very fast with a normal build, imagine with this build where you even lose energy whenever you take hits. And I'm not talking about interrupts yet. You totally have to forget about Ice King too, since Bonetti's doesn't give energy against dryders, and Blessed Signet is far from being enough to keep up, since you need to keep breeze up otherwise you'll die from degen.

While PBond looks good on a smite run, the Protective Spirit build is much more versatile, and can be just as fast, with a good monk. PBond restricts you to smite runs only, while you can go questing and such with PS.

novawhiz · Apr 21, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Ya i guess it would be better to just to use protective bond way.

~But the guy i went with must have been really good. He cleared all aaxtes in about 3 min(without ever pausing for nm's or blessed sig, or br,etc.). Then we cleared all smites in about 10min. But after that he got angry at me because i wasnt fast enough for him..lol

~You say u can have 13-15 smites on you, but he had like 20-25.~

cerb · Apr 21, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

All aatxes at once = luck with spawns
20-25 smites takes a while to pull, it can take like a minute just to pull 3-4 groups of smites into a nice aggro, now you're talking about 5-6 groups

]SK[ · Apr 21, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Bonnettis Defence blocks the effectivness of SV.

cerb · Apr 21, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ]SK[

Bonnettis Defence blocks the effectivness of SV.

Not when you're tanking 12-14++ smites

Reve2uk · Apr 21, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

when i try P.bond i have protection prayers on 11 with a different scalp pattern and a protection item +1 protection 20%chance

novawhiz · Apr 22, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

I might just try p. bond for fun sometime.

Rhuobhe · Apr 22, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

You could always add a 3rd person with Greater Conflagration and have the monk bring Mantra of Flame. Then you could maintain P Bond.

Or Greater Conflagration + Winter and Mantra of Frost.

But then you would have a 3rd person in your group.

novawhiz · Apr 22, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Ya 2 person with protective spirit is best.

~I find that soloing with my monk or necro is too long and hard(speccially with nm's) and that 2 man is the quickest, most effective way to own UW.

cerb · Apr 22, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhuobhe

You could always add a 3rd person with Greater Conflagration and have the monk bring Mantra of Flame. Then you could maintain P Bond.

Or Greater Conflagration + Winter and Mantra of Frost.

But then you would have a 3rd person in your group.

Or not, lol

novawhiz · Apr 22, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerb

Or not, lol

Ya or not. either solo, 2 man, or 8 group- rest sux

Wyrmslayer · Apr 22, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhuobhe

You could always add a 3rd person with Greater Conflagration and have the monk bring Mantra of Flame. Then you could maintain P Bond.

Or Greater Conflagration + Winter and Mantra of Frost.

But then you would have a 3rd person in your group.

You realize that Mantra of Flame is a mesmer skills right?
How would the monk GAIN energy?
No bonnetis, no energy gain, no healing breeze...

Rhuobhe · Apr 22, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyrmslayer

You realize that Mantra of Flame is a mesmer skills right?
How would the monk GAIN energy?
No bonnetis, no energy gain, no healing breeze...

No one uses blessed signet anymore?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerb

or not, lol

I proposed a way to use protective bond, I did not say this is the most uber way to farm UW or something like that. Realize the difference

FWIW You could also use storm chaser with PBond vs elemental damage to make it work. DISCLAIMER: I am NOT saying this is a good alternative for UW farming

Quote:

Originally Posted by novawhiz

Ya or not. either solo, 2 man, or 8 group- rest sux

How about 3 man in UW clearing the whole thing?

Nadine · Apr 22, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Or set your secondary as ranger, take GC and StormChaser

Reve2uk · Apr 23, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhuobhe

You could always add a 3rd person with Greater Conflagration and have the monk bring Mantra of Flame. Then you could maintain P Bond.

Or Greater Conflagration + Winter and Mantra of Frost.

But then you would have a 3rd person in your group.

I like that idea, to do a Duo thou u would have to hmmmm.........

Maybe.....

Mo/Me:
mantra of flame
pro.bond
Baths.spirt
Esece.bond
Mending
Blessed Sigent
brezze
Greater Conflagration

N/Me
Arcane Mimicry
Arcane Echo
Spitefully spirit
Descret enchamnet
BR
phatom pains
Power Spike
Res sig

Only prob with this build is that if a nightmare pops up the necro would have to Power Spike it and tbh if the monk, runs the aatces far enough from the stars on the first lure, its not that hard at all........ two nightmares on the other hand..... hmmm Arcane Echo - Power Spike - Power Spike lol but i don't think any one is that fast lol you would have around 1/2 a secound to spare...could be done thou.... just have to be uber fast lol :P

as for the set up gose....... it should maintain its self most of the time with pro.bond not always -nrg it will give u 3 nrg other times u will be maintained.

the necro has a more important job, he uses Arcane Mimicry on the mon to get the elite uses it which is preety much vital :P.... then he dose the normel necro stuff echo - SS :P